Showing posts with label Tank Report. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Tank Report. Show all posts

Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Phungo Tank Report - Chase Utley

"Tank Report" is a term I am going to use for another new feature.  This one revolves around the question of whether or not an older or perhaps mid-career player has anything "Left in the Tank" 


2012 Phungo #26 Chase Utley

Last week we did this exercise to determine what White Sox fans should expect from Kevin Youkilis based off of his present age (33) and his comparables in Baseball-ref.com.  While reasearching the prospects for Youk and his future it occurred to me that Chase Utley is actually a little older then Youkilis and returning from injury.  What should Philllies fans expect from Utley.  Right now it appears that Babe Ruth in his prime would not be able to help the Phillies who have had a miserable week - but for now we will deal with Mr Utley.

For Utley I dealt with nine of his top 10 age 32 comps as provided by Baseball-Reference.  The Omitted player was Al Rosen who retired after his age 32 season due to injures - which is a bit ominous when talking about Utley.  The remaining 9 had pretty decent post age-32 careers which is a good sign.  Jeff Kent is Utley's #1 comp - which I rate a plus.  In my opinion at this point, the best career arc that Utley could reach would be Jeff Kent numbers.  Jim Edmonds also had a pretty good post 32 career among Utley Comps.  Utley also has 1940s era Hall of Famer Joe Gordon among his Comps.

Chase Utley Comparables at age 32
Chase UtleyNotesAge 33 SeasonAge 33 PAage 33 HRage 33 OBPAge of Last Game
1Jeff Kent180+ Homers after age 32 season, 3 time all-star,  3 silver slugger, 4 Post season appearances after age 32.  2001696220.36940
2Joe Gordonbatted .236 with 19 HRs in final season All-Star at 33 and 34.  Hall of Famer1948633320.37135
3Bret BooneGold Glove ages 33-35, 24+ HR 33-35, Batted .221 7 HR at age 362002675240.33936
4Carlos Guillen20 HR in 3 seasons after 32.  batted .273 at age 34 in 2010 (253 AB)2009322110.33935
5Vinny CastillaLed League in RBI at 36 ( for Colorado in 2004)   2001581250.30838
6Al RosenRetired due to injuriesna32
7JD Drewactive in 2011, 50 HR at 33+, BA of .279, .255, .222 at 33, 34, 35. 2009539240.39235
8Todd Walker3 Homers after age 32, 194 PAs 200650490.35634
9Jim EdmondsSS at 34 (.301 w/ 42 HR in 2004), 5x 19+ HR,  2003531390.38540
10Carlos BaergaHit .343 in 231 AB age 34. - .247 aftwards200219420.31636

I was mostly concerned with what Utley could do for the 2012 Phillies so I have included the Plate appearances, HRs and OBP for each of his comps during their age 33 season.

I did a little math and found out that this group would have hit 12 Homers in 300 plate appearances - which is what I see Utley getting if he stays on the field.  The OBP for the group is roughly .365 - which is 12 points below Utley's average.  Those are both encouaging numbers, I don't know if they are good enough to help the Phillies make up a dozen games in the standing, but it does point to Utley being able to make significant contributions.  The OBP for the other Phillies second basemen this season is .272, If Utley reaches at a .365 clip that would help even without the power.

The not so encouraging

The numbers for 7 of the 9 players above are for full seasons.  I would think that most of them were not coming off injuries as is Utley.  Also perhaps more importantly five of the seasons are from the offensive laden early oughts 2001-2003.  In addition 3 of the remaining 4 seasons are 2006 thu 2009 which were a bit less productive for MLB but still on the higher end.  

Wednesday, June 27, 2012

Moneyball 2012 - Kevin Youkilis


As you are aware by now, Kevin Youkilis was traded from the the Red Sox to the White Sox this past weekend.

 2011 Phungo #20 Kevin Youkilis

I am pretty sure Kevin Youkilis never really appears in the film "Moneyball" but he is definitely present.  He is referred to by the Paul DePodesta/Peter Brand charater as "The Greek God of Walks".  I don't know if this was ever a nickname for Youk prior to Moneyball the book being released, but it is so iconic sounding it is easy to understand why it stuck. 

The epilogue to Moneyball (flim) mentions that the Red Sox went on to win the World Series partiall using the theories developed by the Oakland A's - Those Boston Red Sox teams of course featured Kevin Youkilis.  

It is hard to imagine that a guy that could play a couple of different positions ended up as the odd man out in Boston - Glancing at his numbers I noticed two things 1) He hasn't played over 140 games since 2008 and the player for whom Youkilis has the best comparables with for a 32 year old is another Red Sox player. Trot Nixon. 

At age 33 and beyond  Nixon's career had less then 400 plate appearances remaining and only 4 more Home Runs (out of 137 career Homers)

The rest of Youkilis age 32 top-10 comps is a mixed bag:  




CompFinal MLB Season AgeComments
1Trot Nixon34395 AB after age 32 season
2Mosies Alou413 Time all-star at 33 and beyond. 
3Rusty Greer33Batted .296 in final season, 1 Homer - Retired due to back injuries.  
4Bob Nieman35400 PA beyond age 32, 7 Homers, Hit .378 in 82 AB at age 34.  
5Marty Cordova33Batted .233 in 39 PA during age 33 season then retired.
6Dante Bichette37All Star in age 34 season (1998 Led League in Hits 219) Hit 20+ HRs at ages 33-36 (3 of those seasons were in Colorado) 
7Dolph Camili381941 NL MVP (age 34 - 34 HRs, 120 RBI) DNP in 1944 retired following 1945 season at 38.
8Brad Hawpe32? Hawpe is actually a few months younger then Youkilis - He had Tommy John surgery in 2011 and is currently out of baseball. 
9Bernard Gilkey 34225 PAs at 33 and beyond, 3 Homers .254 BA.  Retired following age 34 season
10Milton Bradley33Assorted off the field issues, never played more then 141 games in a season - at any age.  

Three of the ten players in the group played beyond 35 Moises Alou who had a very good beyond 32 career, Dante Bichette with perhaps Rocky Mountain enhanced numbers and Dolph Camili who played in the 1940s.

So who is Kevin Youkilis Moises Alou, Marty Cordova, Bichette or Gilkey?

Sources

Moneyball 2011-2012
Links to  previous MB 2011-2012 posts
 

 
etc

 
Here is a link to a Moneyball and Collecting related article in Beckett that I first saw referenced by Chris Olds via Twitter. 















































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